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		<title>By: Literacy, revisted. &#124; Leading From The Heart</title>
		<link>http://dharter.edublogs.org/2008/06/09/boy-in-the-bubble-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-139</link>
		<dc:creator>Literacy, revisted. &#124; Leading From The Heart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and I recently hashed out our working understanding of literacy in Boy in the Bubble revisited and in Literacies - digital and otherwise…or not. Christopher has explored the historical roots [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and I recently hashed out our working understanding of literacy in Boy in the Bubble revisited and in Literacies &#8211; digital and otherwise…or not. Christopher has explored the historical roots [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy Rosen</title>
		<link>http://dharter.edublogs.org/2008/06/09/boy-in-the-bubble-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-138</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and the conversation continues...
http://www.christopher-parsons.com/edublog/?p=33

Your thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and the conversation continues&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.christopher-parsons.com/edublog/?p=33" rel="nofollow">http://www.christopher-parsons.com/edublog/?p=33</a></p>
<p>Your thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: tracy</title>
		<link>http://dharter.edublogs.org/2008/06/09/boy-in-the-bubble-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-137</link>
		<dc:creator>tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 19:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>see trackback above...as always, you&#039;ve inspired some thinking!
tracy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>see trackback above&#8230;as always, you&#8217;ve inspired some thinking!<br />
tracy</p>
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		<title>By: Literacies - digital and otherwise&#8230;or not. &#124; Leading From The Heart</title>
		<link>http://dharter.edublogs.org/2008/06/09/boy-in-the-bubble-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-136</link>
		<dc:creator>Literacies - digital and otherwise&#8230;or not. &#124; Leading From The Heart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 15:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lately I&#8217;ve been thinking on how literacy is becoming more complex. Dennis has brought out this conversation in me, first on Learning 2.1 in response to the blog post: What is Web 2.0? and then on his own blog via Boy in the Bubble Revisited. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Lately I&#8217;ve been thinking on how literacy is becoming more complex. Dennis has brought out this conversation in me, first on Learning 2.1 in response to the blog post: What is Web 2.0? and then on his own blog via Boy in the Bubble Revisited. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Harter</title>
		<link>http://dharter.edublogs.org/2008/06/09/boy-in-the-bubble-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-135</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Harter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tracy,

Thanks for sticking with this conversation, you&#039;ve always got the big picture of kids&#039; well-being in mind...keeping the rest of us honest! :-)

I agree that is how teens read because their world is filled with texting, ICQ-ing, and sound bites.  You ask whether the reading we know still has a role to play.  

My answer: yes it does.

Exposure to &quot;difference&quot; is fundamental to building a successful learner/person.  To concede that since they live in a different world implies that they shouldn&#039;t be exposed to literature and writing and analysis, is no different than allowing teachers to completely ignore the technologies and learning styles of students today, saying all they need is the &quot;way we did it as kids.&quot;  As advocates of technology, we can&#039;t allow ourselves to fall into the opposite side, but otherwise identical trap.

Both have value, both need to be tapped.  Stretching the mind is ALWAYS a good thing.  And understanding culture and thinking and the wonder of human ingenuity and creativity has to continue.

See my post on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://dharter.edublogs.org/2008/05/13/why-schools-need-art/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;value of art&lt;/a&gt; for my thoughts on that value on a thinking scale as well.

(I&#039;ve just gone off on a tangent of parenting and teaching and setting boundaries for kids that they need, but it got long winded and WAY off the point, so I just deleted it...suffice it to say, that my mind is spinning)

How do we balance, you ask?  With engagement and passion and understanding, I think.  We have to believe in what we teach - both the fragmented tech side and the &quot;old-school&quot; stuff.  Because if we don&#039;t, they won&#039;t.  And then, what&#039;s the point?

Do we teach how to do this?  Sadly, I don&#039;t think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tracy,</p>
<p>Thanks for sticking with this conversation, you&#8217;ve always got the big picture of kids&#8217; well-being in mind&#8230;keeping the rest of us honest! <img src='http://dharter.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I agree that is how teens read because their world is filled with texting, ICQ-ing, and sound bites.  You ask whether the reading we know still has a role to play.  </p>
<p>My answer: yes it does.</p>
<p>Exposure to &#8220;difference&#8221; is fundamental to building a successful learner/person.  To concede that since they live in a different world implies that they shouldn&#8217;t be exposed to literature and writing and analysis, is no different than allowing teachers to completely ignore the technologies and learning styles of students today, saying all they need is the &#8220;way we did it as kids.&#8221;  As advocates of technology, we can&#8217;t allow ourselves to fall into the opposite side, but otherwise identical trap.</p>
<p>Both have value, both need to be tapped.  Stretching the mind is ALWAYS a good thing.  And understanding culture and thinking and the wonder of human ingenuity and creativity has to continue.</p>
<p>See my post on the <a href="http://dharter.edublogs.org/2008/05/13/why-schools-need-art/" rel="nofollow">value of art</a> for my thoughts on that value on a thinking scale as well.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;ve just gone off on a tangent of parenting and teaching and setting boundaries for kids that they need, but it got long winded and WAY off the point, so I just deleted it&#8230;suffice it to say, that my mind is spinning)</p>
<p>How do we balance, you ask?  With engagement and passion and understanding, I think.  We have to believe in what we teach &#8211; both the fragmented tech side and the &#8220;old-school&#8221; stuff.  Because if we don&#8217;t, they won&#8217;t.  And then, what&#8217;s the point?</p>
<p>Do we teach how to do this?  Sadly, I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
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		<title>By: tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dennis - what if we go beyond ourselves, us bloggers? When you write:
&quot;Maybe we just have to give ourselves a chance.&quot;

What about our students? On Learning 2.1&#039;s post &#039;What is Web 2.0?&#039; you wrote:
&quot;all of this particpatory web is not 2.0 to teens…it’s essentially always been this way. It’s 1.0 as far as they are concerned. It’s The Web.&quot;

If this is the case, and much of the web&#039;s tools do lend a staccatatosis to our information processing abilities....well, then that is how teens read. Does text - poetry, literature, essays - have a role within this context, within this type of literacy? How can we balance things? How can we teach when it&#039;s ok to process in a fragmented way and when to go deeper? How do we teach how to do this?
hmmmm....I know...lots of questions! Not necessarily directed at you - just questions to the universe at this point.
:)

Here is the link to the post:
http://mcglaysia.wordpress.com/2008/05/15/what-is-web-20/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis &#8211; what if we go beyond ourselves, us bloggers? When you write:<br />
&#8220;Maybe we just have to give ourselves a chance.&#8221;</p>
<p>What about our students? On Learning 2.1&#8217;s post &#8216;What is Web 2.0?&#8217; you wrote:<br />
&#8220;all of this particpatory web is not 2.0 to teens…it’s essentially always been this way. It’s 1.0 as far as they are concerned. It’s The Web.&#8221;</p>
<p>If this is the case, and much of the web&#8217;s tools do lend a staccatatosis to our information processing abilities&#8230;.well, then that is how teens read. Does text &#8211; poetry, literature, essays &#8211; have a role within this context, within this type of literacy? How can we balance things? How can we teach when it&#8217;s ok to process in a fragmented way and when to go deeper? How do we teach how to do this?<br />
hmmmm&#8230;.I know&#8230;lots of questions! Not necessarily directed at you &#8211; just questions to the universe at this point.<br />
 <img src='http://dharter.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Here is the link to the post:<br />
<a href="http://mcglaysia.wordpress.com/2008/05/15/what-is-web-20/" rel="nofollow">http://mcglaysia.wordpress.com/2008/05/15/what-is-web-20/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Harter</title>
		<link>http://dharter.edublogs.org/2008/06/09/boy-in-the-bubble-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-132</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Harter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am with you, beacantor and tracy.  I find myself skimming long posts too.  But then I just went on vacation and read a &lt;em&gt;book&lt;/em&gt; each night...and it was AWESOME!  It&#039;s hard to believe that I &quot;don&#039;t have time&quot; to do this while work is on.  That&#039;s one of the many things I love about summer...unplugging and reading books again.

Maybe we just have to give ourselves a chance.  Too often we read blogs with the purpose of &quot;what will I get out of this?&quot; and &quot;is there something here I can tap into and write about myself?&quot;

But when we read literature...good literature...we can immerse ourselves in the language, the story, the description...stuff we often gloss over when reading online.  

And when we are immersed, we appreciate.

I think Mr Friedman could read War and Peace...he just needs to disconnect and immerse himself again, which I imagine he finds little time to do these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am with you, beacantor and tracy.  I find myself skimming long posts too.  But then I just went on vacation and read a <em>book</em> each night&#8230;and it was AWESOME!  It&#8217;s hard to believe that I &#8220;don&#8217;t have time&#8221; to do this while work is on.  That&#8217;s one of the many things I love about summer&#8230;unplugging and reading books again.</p>
<p>Maybe we just have to give ourselves a chance.  Too often we read blogs with the purpose of &#8220;what will I get out of this?&#8221; and &#8220;is there something here I can tap into and write about myself?&#8221;</p>
<p>But when we read literature&#8230;good literature&#8230;we can immerse ourselves in the language, the story, the description&#8230;stuff we often gloss over when reading online.  </p>
<p>And when we are immersed, we appreciate.</p>
<p>I think Mr Friedman could read War and Peace&#8230;he just needs to disconnect and immerse himself again, which I imagine he finds little time to do these days.</p>
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		<title>By: tracy</title>
		<link>http://dharter.edublogs.org/2008/06/09/boy-in-the-bubble-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-131</link>
		<dc:creator>tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>beacantor brings up a point that I haven&#039;t seen much about yet. 
The idea that, while today&#039;s technologies have so much to offer authentic, relevant teaching practices, we need to figure out a way to deal with the fragmentation, staccato-like quality it gives to how we process information. 

Definitely something to think about...

Oh, you&#039;re making me think this morning!
tracy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>beacantor brings up a point that I haven&#8217;t seen much about yet.<br />
The idea that, while today&#8217;s technologies have so much to offer authentic, relevant teaching practices, we need to figure out a way to deal with the fragmentation, staccato-like quality it gives to how we process information. </p>
<p>Definitely something to think about&#8230;</p>
<p>Oh, you&#8217;re making me think this morning!<br />
tracy</p>
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